The U.S. Department OF Health and Human Services - Healthcare Proposal?

LOL

I wish I could understand why the left wants to make sure the heath insurance companies continue to exist by guaranteeing them customers / slaves for life.

I say - send the health insurance companies the way of the blacksmith.

Remove their profits and BS from our health care equations.

About the left wanting to keep the Ins. Cos. was not an idea of the left

then they should not have passed what they did pass...
or
Obama should have sent it back unsigned.

period.

but it is a start that can maybe be mproved on.

I can not agree

the federal mandate on the people to buy insurance is unconstitutional
and as such that law needs to die a swift death

if that death brings about constitutional change maybe then it would be worth the aggravation and discontent the current law has caused then more power to the GOP in repealing ObamaCare

Still, I agree with your premiss.

thanks - I tried to frame it so most people, left or right, would feel that way
- everyone wins except the health insurance industry -

I would also like to add that your idea is a for left socialist program.

in my proposal you will notice:

the feds have no control over our actual health care
but can only round up some funds for it...

I would call it social service - not socialism
there is a difference between the two yanno...

If the feds round up the funding through taxation, isn't that the same as a mandate to purchase ins.?

no

a mandate to buy a product from another individual is not the same thing as paying taxes directly to the feds

everything is not the same as everything else.

Any time you put the word "social" on it you've got socialism

only to a liberal
any one with a dictionary knows this is not true

social services is NOT the same as socialism

I'm going to bed now. I'm hitting the "back space" to much. I'm tired.

cheers my friend
I am about to do the same

:)

Now why can't congress have this type of debate?

maybe they sold us out to big business / health insurance companies???

call or email your representatives...
and demand they get their heads out of the health insurance companies asses

cheers
:)

I see, if the republicans do it, it is social service. If it comes from the dems, it's socialism.

your operating off assumptions that have no basis in fact concerning me

I have never said or even implied such a thing

maybe you also assume I am republican?
I am conservative but also independent.
if I had my way I would scrap the republican party as well as the democrat party
and only allow independents to run
- I have no use for party thought or agendas.

my advice to you is stick only to what you know for sure...
as assumptions tend to make you look foolish.

cheers
:)

No more so than you trying to spin a position that many of your fellow conservatives would denounce at the drop of a hat as anti-capitalist and a socialist government take-over of health care... or some such nonsense.

to be fair...
you might get that response from the fools in washington
and even some right extremists on this site

but speaking as an independent..
I can assure you that all of my independent friends,
who are conservatives as well...
would not agree with your analysis.

by the way
independents outnumber dems and repubs combined
so party is not really the issue.

Then why did you use it in the title? I'm curious.

didja see the question mark following that party???

I can have dreams to yanno???

as the republicans control the house - they currently hold the keys to the car.

at the moment any idea from the dems will never get heard by the house.

the oldest trick in the book is to get/let your opposition think your idea
was their idea. so they can not wait to get it done.

when I have decide to end a relationship...
I always encourage "her" to think it was her idea -
or she will try to come back and work it out.

when she thinks it was her idea to split up -
she leaves very fast and...
she is never heard from again
which is my desired result.

cheers
:)

I don't think that is out of Dr Phil's playbook,

it works like a charm

by the way
who is DR Phil?

we already have a Dept of Health and Human Services

Ha, I knew I heard of that somewhere.. LOL
great no need to create a new body - just add a new task

And how is this to be determined? The debate would be interesting to say the least.

my proposal is a grand place to start
and is constitutional.

There's literally not a single GOP Member of either House of Congress that would even consider your plan ...

yeah and that is the rub ey?
to bad we have idiots on both sides of the isles

To label it a "GOP proposal" is beyond ridiculous

one can hope yanno.

beyond calling it a Communist Socialist French Muslim betrayal of Paul Revere.

actually it is a direct model of the dept of educations charter
so unless they contend the dept of education unconstitutional
they would be talking out of their backsides and everyone would know it.

A. That will NEVER happen;

how do you know that? given up so easy?
everyone, from both sides, and independents, need to get on congress's ass and tell them to do it.

this is not a "party issue"
it is a people issue.

do you have the nads to work with us?
or simply prefer to work against?

your choice.
:)

I would love to see a 100 million person march on Washington demanding this

if 1/3 of the country, people from both sides, and the middle,
showed up demanding this idea become law how could they ignore us?

the problem is getting everyone to work together and stop the petty bickering.

at the moment - we the people still own this country
we should remind them of that ASAP
before we lose our country.

which allows states to dispense with the individual mandate provided they reach the established benchmarks in terms of coverage.

can I operate on the notion that the proposal you describe says they will drop the federal mandate if states enact mandates of their own?

or are states free to be creative and come up with their own solutions?

Bull@!$%#. Your side made it a party issue

I already explained I am not republican

Since you seem to have a taste for the obvious, as a Democrat let me remind you that we spent SIXTY @!$%#ING YEARS trying to get this job HALF DONE and some worthless pipedream like your "plan" is no help at all.

We've @!$%#ing been there and @!$%#ing done that for, again, SIXTY @!$%#ING YEARS.

your a little wound up - is a civil discussion out of the realm of possibility with you?

again -

political party is not the issue
political party is the problem
both sides are to blame

while the mjority, who are independents, are forced to sit ringside

Then let's just say you're of the anti-Democratic party. You don't care who wins as long as those dirty @!$%#ing hippies lose. Got it.

I have said before and will say it again

I only seem republican when dems have control
and
I only seem democrat when republicans have control

if you think I gave bush any less hell than I give Obama
- your seriously mistaken -

depending on issues I can be found on either side of the fence
I despise both parties but have no choice but to deal with them.

Independent

GOT IT YET?

ciao
:)

you do realize obama was elected on the promise of reforming healthcare, it is what the voters wanted.

agreed...
people wanted healthcare reform
but they did not want ObamaCare
He should have done a better job instead of caving in to the insurance companies
- makes him damn weak I think.

the shouts of NO before they passed that bill where deafening
for a guy with such big ears - Obama seemed to not hear a thing
now the dems are paying for that......

that is why round 50% want it repealed now - because they loved it so much then???

1 in 4 dems want it repealed in favor of single payer
I kinda like that single payer version myself

this law needs to die by the hands of SCOTUS
screw the damn politicians

if obamacare is the best they can do
I want none of it - it is unconstitutional.
I will never comply.

remember what you said when it goes up for repeal = because that is why we put the GOP in charge of the house

seems we can not trust the dems with the keys to the car or the house = funny huh?